On this episode Debbie talks to type designer Tobias Frere-Jones about his career and why typefaces are like the air we breathe. "The stretch of time between when you wake up, and when you first interact with some piece of type that someone has drawn, is probably only a couple of seconds."

Wheat Field

Tobias Frere-Jones

TYPOGRAPHER

2016

DESIGN / TYPOGRAPHY

And remember, we can talk about making a difference, we can make a difference, or we can do both.  — Debbie Millman